Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of Pulling the Thread. My guest today is psychotherapist Nicole Sacks,

who has been pioneering a simple yet remarkable approach to helping people with chronic pain,

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Here is today's guest, psychotherapist Nicole Sacks, on her process for eliminating chronic pain.

If you know this is happening and if you can come into alignment with that this is the way the human being functions, you can do the work to lower the reservoir.

And once the reservoir is no longer bubbling over, and this is the remarkable thing, Ely's, that you read about in the book when you read these insane success stories from people from all walks of life, when the reservoir is

diminished, the pain signals simply stop firing. It's not like you have to do anything. People are

always like, Nicole, what do I do? And I said, don't worry about getting rid of your pain. Do the work

to lower the reservoir. And you will notice that the pain signals simply stop firing.

So the way I met Nicole Sachs was very sweet.

She reached out after reading my book on her best behavior because there are some parallels between our work and life obsessions.

We've been in conversation since then, and I am so thrilled to see how she's evolved her work up to

today and into her book, Mind Your Body. I know this is an overused and big statement, but I really

believe this book is going to change many lives, as Nicole's work has already helped so many people

dealing with chronic pain, anxiety, and simply the daily overwhelm of being human.

At the top of our conversation today, Nicole explains how she discovered Dr. John Sarno's

and eliminated her own debilitating back pain years ago, and why she's come to believe that

many chronic conditions stem from a dysregulation in the nervous

system that leads the brain to send pain signals as a source of protection. As Nicole puts it,

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