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Hi, it's Elise Lunan, host of pulling the thread.

On this show, we pull apart the web in which we all live to understand who we are and why we're here.

My hope is that these conversations spark moments of resonance and plant tiny seeds of awareness so that we might all collectively learn and grow.

Oh, friends, you all, I'm sure, have heard this might be apocryphal, but that the definition of crisis in Chinese means that you live in interesting times.

And these are interesting times. I know regardless of where you may sit on a political spectrum that we are all being bathed in a lot of fear, a lot of fear, right?

It's just a contagion within the culture right now, understandably.

I think that's the point.

I think that the administration is trying to so fear

because it's so incredibly paralyzing.

And this is also a catnip of many of our media enterprises,

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