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Is There Such a Thing as Healthy Shame and Embarrassment? | JoAnna Hardy

10% Happier with Dan Harris

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Dan Harris, Health & Fitness, Mindfulness, Dharma, Mental Health, Meditation

4.612.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

A Buddhist recipe for speaking, working, and living in a way that will make you happy.

JoAnna Hardy has practiced in multiple traditions since 1999. She is currently a meditation trainer at Apple Fitness+, a visiting teacher at Black Being LA, a visiting retreat teacher at Insight Meditation Society, and about to embark on a new mystery journey! 

In this episode we talk about:

  • Sila, the Buddhist code of ethics
  • Concepts such as right livelihood and right speech 
  • Why we lie
  • The power of Buddhist tattoos 
  • Hiri and Otappa (AKA healthy shame and healthy embarrassment)

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

0:07.0

Hello, my fellow suffering beings, how we doing today?

0:22.7

Many people get their backup when they hear the word ethics.

0:26.4

I get it.

0:27.2

The word brings to mind images of finger-wagging, hypocrites, thundering from behind a pulpit.

0:33.5

Ethical guidelines have too often been used to circumscribe the actions and options of the many and privilege the few.

0:41.9

But Buddhism, in my view, is quite different in this regard.

0:46.3

In Buddhism, ethics are not supposed to be about moralizing.

0:50.0

They're supposed to be about making you happier.

0:52.1

It's enlightened self-interest.

0:54.4

There's a term I like, I don't know who coined it, the bliss of blamelessness.

0:59.3

If your mind isn't a flame ruminating upon all of the shabby ways in which you've treated

1:04.1

other people and if it's not spinning out trying to find ways to keep all of your lies

1:08.7

straight, there's a lot more room for calm, quiet, creativity, all the good stuff.

1:14.6

One of the greatest Western teachers on this subject of Buddhist ethics is, in my opinion,

1:21.1

Joanna Hardy, who also happens to be a friend.

1:23.9

One of the many things I love about Joanna is that she's totally open about her past transgressions and actually her current transgressions as well.

1:31.5

She's not trying to pretend to be perfect, which makes her, I think, a more effective proponent of Buddhist ethics.

1:38.3

She also has a pleasingly foul mouth. You're going to hear references to sex with melons in this conversation.

2:01.5

Just a little bit more about Joanna. She has practiced in multiple traditions since 1999. She's a meditation trainer at Apple Fitness Plus, a visiting retreat teacher at Insight Meditation Society, and much more. In this conversation, we talk about SELA, which is the Buddhist term for ethics.

2:05.2

We cover concepts such as right livelihood, right speech.

2:10.6

We talk about why we lie, the power of Buddhist tattoos, which I'm becoming increasingly convinced of.

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