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The Good Fight

Is there Hope for Humanity? (Yes.)

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2020

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

In times of crisis, it’s easy to wish for the good old days. Rutger Bregman wants us to look to the future instead. One of Europe’s leading young thinkers, Bregman's unapologetic calls for higher taxes at the Davos World Economic Forum in 2019 made him an overnight internet sensation. As a self-confessed utopian, he now wants us to think big – and that means planning for 15 hour workweeks, open borders and a universal basic income. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Rutger Bregman discuss human nature; its implications for contemporary politics; and the policies which we need to create a more human-centric world.  Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: goodfightpod@gmail.com Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams and Rebecca Rashid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Go to Economist.com and get your first month free. You're going to. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

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Hi, I'm Nathaniel Rechman, Persuasion's editorial assistant.

0:54.6

Back in October, I wrote a story called The Simbleton Manifesto.

0:58.8

It came out of a frustration of doing increasingly simplistic slogans

1:02.6

being substituted for actual policy proposals.

1:05.4

From Trump's plan to build the wall, to demands to defund the police,

1:09.1

it felt like we were living in a world where people were increasingly

1:11.7

uninterested in solving real world problems with sensible solutions.

1:16.0

Looking back through my old notes from university, I found a term first used by the sociologist Seymour Lipsett and Earl Rabe in their 1970 classic, the politics of unreason.

1:26.4

Simplism, as they called it, seemed to describe almost perfectly what we were seeing today.

1:32.1

My article took this idea and tried to flesh out its implications.

1:36.0

Using Trump's border wall as the definitive example of Simplism policy, I came up with

1:40.4

false strands which I thought illuminated how

1:42.5

symbolism worked and why it was so damaging. First was the fact that

1:46.8

simplest assumed the solution to our problems was so obvious that debate

1:51.0

was unnecessary. We saw this in Trump's references to the

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