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Joining us is Jonathan Albert.

He is a therapist.

He's the author of Therapy Nation,

how America got hooked on therapy

and why it's left us more anxious and divided.

You can find him on exit, Jonathan Albert with a tea. Jonathan, thank you so much

for joining me. Mary, thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it. This is great. So, because I will tell you,

so I'm a big fan of therapy. I think everybody needs it because everybody's messed up in their

own little way. We all got our baggage, right? And then when we have problems later in life, we can't figure out why. So I think

everybody needs a little bit of therapy. But as you point out, you point out of something that

I didn't realize. Like, all, we have had so much therapy as a nation that people now talk

like they're therapists all the time people social

that people will psychoanalyze you on X based from eight cents eight words you put together in a

sentence and I personally blame Dr. Phil and Oprah for this phenomenon but why does everyone

now think are we are we not all running around like little mini psychotherapists?

I know. Isn't it annoying when people say, my therapist says, I feel like those are the most annoying words anyone can utter. But yeah, Dr. Phil and Oprah certainly brought this into modern

culture, but that seems like a long time ago at this point. And now we have therapists who,

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