Hello and welcome to Trigonometric I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kishin.

And this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with

fascinating people. Our incredible guest today is a former member of

Al-Qaeda who then became a spy for My6.

Aemandine, welcome to Trigonometry.

Thank you for having me.

It's a pleasure to have you here.

Listen, man, what a fascinating background.

A lot of people are going to be like, whoa,

let's listen to this guy.

One thing I should probably mention is you're the co-host of the Conflicted Podcast

and your co-host Thomas Small we had on the show, one, probably one of our most fascinating interviews that we've ever done talking about the Middle East and all that sort of thing.

So before we get into the interview, which is going to be absolutely fantastic I can't wait just give everybody a little bit more of the

the flavor of your background how are you where you are what's been your journey because it sounds like an

incredible one okay I will not to condense it to one minute.

So you can say basically that I am a Saudi born and raised Bahraini,

half Lebanese, and there are Turkish and Persian and other ethnicities there,

in a Middle Eastern salad, really. And so from Saudi Arabia, I grew up there pretty much a religious inner young lad, you know memorized of Iran at a young age, wanted basically to become an imam.

But much to the relief of my would-be

congregation I didn't you know end up being an imam I ended up joining the

jihad in Bosnia when I was 16.

There, basically, the journey started towards darker and darker motives.

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