NPR. Globalization as we know it is dead or at least it is according to the UK's

new Chancellor of the exchequer Rachel Reeves. We did become overly reliance on

countries that don't always share our values for some of our basic

needs and we should never again put ourselves in that position.

Rachel runs the UK Treasury and signs off on pretty much everything that requires new money.

Rachel sees something wrong with the paradigm of a hands-off government setting sale into the free market,

buffered by whatever trade winds may blow.

She is facing an economic backdrop that is familiar to many countries, hollowed out industrial

towns, climate change, global wars and conflicts.

And the way to address these racial things

is to keep the government's hands firmly on the captain's wheel.

This is the indicator from Planet Money, I'm Whelan Wong.

And I'm Darren Woods.

Today on the show, our conversation with Rachel Reeves

on her visit this week to the US.

What Rachel thinks went wrong with globalization

and the new economic map she's coursing.

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