meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The Briefing Room

Is the Prime Minister’s Office fit for purpose?

The Briefing Room

BBC

News, News Commentary

4.8731 Ratings

🗓️ 3 February 2022

⏱️ 29 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

How well 10 Downing Street functions is under scrutiny. Following Sue Gray's report into parties during lockdown, David Aaronovitch explores who does what at the heart of government and asks if the current problems can be fixed.

Contributors: Alex Thomas, Institute for Government Professor Andrew, Blick, King's College London Jill Rutter, UK in a Changing Europe Professor Patrick Diamond, Queen Mary University of London

Producers: Rosamund Jones, Ben Carter, Kirsteen Knight Studio manager: Rod Farquhar Production co-ordinators: Siobhan Reed, Brenda Brown Editor: Richard Vadon

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, radio, podcasts.

0:06.9

Welcome to the briefing room with me, David Aronovich.

0:10.0

The briefing room is the corner of the metaverse,

0:12.9

where you, me and the top experts get together to understand a big issue of the day.

0:18.6

This week, what actually is number 10? And does it need fixing?

0:31.2

The Sue Gray report was not just about drinking. It also pointed at the nature of the

0:36.7

operation at number 10.

0:38.9

And although to many a discussion about this may seem an attempt to divert attention away

0:43.5

from a current scandal, there are important questions to be asked about how the very centre

0:49.3

of government operates. So, apart from being a building, what exactly is number 10? What does it do?

0:58.2

And where is it failing? Step inside the briefing room and together we'll find out.

1:06.6

First, we need to understand how many people work at number 10, who they are, and ask who's in charge of who.

1:15.0

Alex Thomas leads the Institute for Government's work on policymaking and the Civil Service.

1:20.1

Before that, he was principal private secretary to Sir Jeremy Hayward, Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Civil Service.

1:28.0

Alex Thomas, when you were doing that job, where were you based?

1:31.5

So physically, I was in the Cabinet Office building, which is basically sort of just one up

1:37.4

from Downing Street. There's a room sort of at the back of that building that is very close then

1:41.9

to the number 10 link door, which does what it says on the

1:44.7

tin and links with Downing Street. So you didn't have to come out into Whitehall and through the gates

1:49.2

and into Number 10 Downing Street. You could always just do it the back way. No, you can always go

1:53.0

around the back. And link door passes are very prized amongst Cabinet Office staff because it

1:57.3

means you can get into the heart of things. And were you using your link door pass a lot? Yes, because you're one of the bridges between number 10 serving the

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from BBC, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of BBC and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.