Is the Pandemic Over If We Decide It Is? (with David Ho)

In the Bubble with Andy Slavitt

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4.6 • 3.5K Ratings

🗓️ 9 March 2022

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

As mask mandates and vaccine requirements go away and life starts to look similar to the way it did in February 2020, Andy talks with world-renowned virologist David Ho, who says his career has been defined by two pandemics: HIV/AIDS and COVID-19. David tells Andy what he makes of people relaxing their precautions, how long he thinks COVID will remain problematic for us as a society, and what future vaccines and therapies could look like. Plus, David recounts his decades researching HIV/AIDS, which led to him being named TIME Magazine's Person of the Year in 1996.

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Read more about Hawaii’s decision to end their universal indoor mask mandate, the 50th and final state to do so: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/08/world/covid-19-mandates-cases-vaccine/hawaii-will-drop-its-mask-mandate-the-last-state-to-do-so
Check out the issue of TIME Magazine from 1996 in which David was named “Man of the Year”: https://time.com/vault/issue/1996-12-30/page/1/
Read more about the study David co-authored about vaccine and antibody treatment effectiveness in the three Omicron subvariants: https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/vaccine-and-antibody-treatment-effectiveness-blunted-all-three-omicron-subvariants
Order free at-home COVID-19 tests through the USPS: https://special.usps.com/testkits
Find a COVID-19 vaccine site near you: https://www.vaccines.gov/
Order Andy’s book, Preventable: The Inside Story of How Leadership Failures, Politics, and Selfishness Doomed the U.S. Coronavirus Response: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250770165

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0:00.0	It's CVS Health, they know the women's physical, mental, and sexual health matters.
0:05.0	That's why they're offering new women's health services available nationwide seven days a week.
0:09.0	From heart health, blood pressure, and cholesterol screenings available at miniclinic locations,
0:14.0	to virtual birth control consultations and visits with a board certified provider,
0:18.0	women's health is it an afterthought. It matters.
0:21.0	It's CVS Health. Health here happens together. Learn more at CVSHealth.com.
0:27.0	Lemon out.
0:31.0	The cases are coming down. People are feeling much more relaxed compared to a couple months ago,
0:40.0	and are going about with pretty much a normal lifestyle now.
0:48.0	Even though we know the virus is still around, and who knows what may come next.
0:54.0	The CDC doesn't decide when the pandemic is over. I think the public's going to make that decision.
1:01.0	Welcome to the bubble. This is your host Andy Flavitt. It's March 9th, 2022.
1:23.0	That voice you heard at the opening was not other than Dr. David Ho.
1:30.0	The world renowned AIDS researcher, also COVID researcher,
1:35.0	making a very compelling point about where we stand right now with the pandemic.
1:41.0	And what decides, and who decides when a pandemic is over?
1:47.0	I look around the WHO and CDC, are they the ones that decide, or are your friends and neighbors.
1:54.0	I love bringing you interviews with amazing people here and in the bubble.
1:59.0	David Ho is one of them. He is my guest today. He was the time person of the year in 1996 for his work,
2:08.0	and he was the first scientist in medical research to be named time person of the year.
2:20.0	It was really a foreshadowing of what was to come in the next several decades as we saw Ebola and now COVID.
2:32.0	He is really the definition of a first responder. He is at the forefront when it comes to what comes next in the research of COVID vaccines and therapeutics.
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