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Hello and welcome to a special Saturday edition of Coffee House Shots. I'm Kate

Andrews and I'm joined by the spectators Isabel Hardman. Isabel, you and I have written a lot

about the NHS in the past, particularly over say the past year, as it has become a real crisis

point, not just for the government, but for every patient who needs to use it. Understandably,

all the focus at the moment, especially this weekend, is going to be on that uplift to the

energy price cap, as people especially on low incomes are thinking about how they might go

about paying their bills this winter with very little to be said on the end of government,

as we wait for a new Prime Minister to come in. But if you're a patient on the NHS,

this is at the top of your concern list, if not at the very, very top. What exactly

is going so wrong? And are there going to be any solutions this winter, short-term solutions

that can help fix the backlog? Yeah, so the Conservative leadership debate has moved into

quite interesting territory, and this is something you've written a lot about,

which is that the health and care levy and the way in which it doesn't really go to the social

care bit of it for a couple of years. It's funding the NHS backlog or the attempts to

tackle it for the first few years. But as we've both written and as Liz Truss has acknowledged

in the past few days, that doesn't make a great deal of sense when the social care sector being

on its knees has a direct impact on the national health service, not just in terms of people

not being safe at home and having falls and so on, and then having to go into acute care,

but also at the other end where they can't be safely discharged because there's no funding for

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