It's to the best of our knowledge from PRX.

I'm Anne Strange Champs, and here's a question I never thought I'd ask.

Is the nation-state splintering?

Let's the thunder sound.

This is producer Shannon Henry Clyber with Chavi A. Giro.

Chavi and I went to graduate school together, and Chavi is a professor of journalism in Barcelona, and he's from Barcelona.

Great sound effects on us.

It's nearly recalling the bombardments. Wow.

We're walking around the Gothic Quarter and a huge rainstorm erupted,

just a torrential downpour and ended up in this beautiful, small square.

Very small and close square.

It's called Saint-Philippe Neri.

It has two small narrow streets flowing out.

Yeah.

Cobblestone streets and this beautiful archway

and a Baroque church and a fountain.

It's kind of romantic and sad because of its history.

Plains from the regime,

the Italian regime, when Mussolini was in power,

they helped Franco, dictator.

This was in the midst of the Spanish Civil War.

Franco was in power, and he was aided by Mussolini and Hitler and he bombed this beautiful square

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