Hello and welcome to another episode of the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics and the Trump presidency.

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our various offers. I'm joined today by Jacob Harbrun, who is Americano's most regular guest

and editor of the national interest,

as well as a much appreciated contributor to Spectator USA. And we're going to be catching up on

what's happening with the impeachment latest. Now, Jacob, I have been accused by a few people now

of not taking the impeachment story seriously enough. We have done

quite a lot on it on spec US, I will say, in my defence. But perhaps I haven't quite grasped the

gravity of the threat that is facing Trump. We have had another day of hearings today. How is it

unfolding, do you think? It's, well, first of all, Freddie, I'm shocked that anyone would accuse you of lacking

gravity. Who are these people? But, um, you'd be surprised. Yeah. The hearings are not going well

for President Trump. He intervened today in the form of holding a cabinet meeting and denounced

Vinderman and Williams and others as people that he hardly knows has never seen. He doesn't

know what they're talking about. Ukraine felt no pressure. And so forth. For all thisers who aren't

following, these are people who have testified at the hearings.

Right. It's Lieutenant Colonel Vindamon, who is on the Trump National Security Council, and Jennifer Williams, who was posted from the State Department on Vice President Mike Pence's staff.

And both of them are firsthand witnesses.

So the Republican congressman cannot accuse them of peddling hearsay.

They did hear the call.

So this is not a devastating day for Trump, but I think he is sustaining bleeding.

The Republicans are doing their best to try and knock the witnesses off their feet, but honestly,

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