Is the Gaza Deal Real?

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🗓️ 7 October 2025

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It’s been two years since Hamas attacked Israel and set off a devastating war. Since then, talks have fallen apart over and over again. Trump says – this time is different. But should anyone believe him? Guest: Yair Rosenberg, staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Deep Shtetl, a newsletter about the intersection of politics, culture, and religion. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:19.9	Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States and the Prime Minister of the
0:26.4	State of Israel.
0:28.2	About a week ago, President Trump hosted Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House.
0:32.9	For a meeting, he would go on to describe to the press as historic.
0:40.8	So this is a big, big day, a beautiful day,
0:46.0	potentially one of the great days ever in civilization.
0:49.6	Trump was promising peace in the Middle East.
0:52.7	What he was delivering was a 20-point plan for some kind of Gaza ceasefire,
0:55.4	a plan that only one side had agreed to.
0:58.2	Our allies in Europe, Europe has been very much involved,
1:01.9	and as I was called by many of the European leaders, most of them, saying,
1:05.5	is this true? Are you really doing peace in the Middle East?
1:10.2	This is the most incredible thing we've heard.
1:13.2	Some think it's the biggest thing they've ever heard.
1:17.2	What they were doing was saying, here's a plan. Now Hamas has to respond, and Trump was presenting
1:23.0	it as non-negotiable, take it or leave it, an ultimatum. The Atlantic CIA Rosenberg listened along as the president presented his plan as a
1:31.4	fait accompli and had an immediate reaction.
1:34.9	This deal is not even close.
1:38.5	We've heard this sort of talk before, and Trump himself has a tendency as a consummate salesman
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