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Is the economy slowing? Ask Black women.

It's Been a Minute

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🗓️ 8 October 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Black women’s unemployment rate is hovering at 6.7% — higher than the rate for white workers. Is it a sign the broader economy could sour? These economists say yes.

Black women are the 'canary in the economic coal mine,' says Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman. She's the author of The Double Tax: How Women of Color are Overcharged and Underpaid. Brittany speaks to Anna and Ofranama Biu, chief economist and senior research director at the Maven Collaborative, about why Black women's unemployment is on the rise and why this trend could be a troubling sign for the rest of the country.

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0:00.0

This message comes from Conan O'Brien needs a friend. Join Conan every week in deep, unboundly

0:06.3

playful hangouts with people he enjoys most and perhaps find some real friendships along the way.

0:12.5

Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Have you checked the jobs report lately? If you don't know

0:20.7

what that is, it's sort of like a monthly economic report card from the U.S. Department of Labor.

0:26.4

It drops the first Friday of every month and explains things from what industries gained and lost jobs

0:32.2

and how many people were unemployed to how much workers earned and how many hours they worked.

0:41.3

And lately, the jobs report has shown some pretty alarming data. Unemployment among black women aged 20 and older jumped from 5.1% in March to 6.7% in August.

0:50.3

To make this feel a little more real, employment among black women fell by roughly 318,000 jobs between February and June 2025.

1:01.9

And Ophronima Bieu, Chief Economist and Senior Research Director at the Maven Collaborative, says that's a serious issue.

1:09.0

Given the trends we've seen historically of black folks being the first fire,

1:15.5

and given that there's a slowdown in hiring, increasing in layoffs,

1:19.9

unfortunately, the news was disheartening to see, but not a surprise.

1:24.2

These changes are what economists are calling a canary in the coal mine moment for the

1:28.6

country's financial well-being. Amid cuts to the federal workforce where we know black women are

1:35.4

overrepresented, amid a destruction of DEI where a lot of black women are also represented. I'm

1:43.2

not super surprised that this is taking place to black women first.

1:46.9

That's Anna Gifty Apoku Ajiman, author of the double tax and a Harvard PhD candidate.

1:53.9

And honestly, really saddening because a lot of these people are folks that we know, right?

1:57.9

They're not just people who are floating somewhere else.

2:00.5

Today, we're sitting down

2:01.9

with Anna and Afronima to take a hard look at the numbers, who these rising unemployment numbers

2:07.6

affect, and why this moment could be an alarm for stormy economic seas ahead.

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