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Is the Economy Getting Better or Worse? The Fed Says It's Hard to Tell

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🗓️ 30 October 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

On Wednesday, the Federal Reserve announced a highly anticipated quarter-point cut to interest rates. But the road to future rate cuts is pretty murky. WSJ’s Nick Timiraos explains how missing government data is obscuring the Fed’s view of the economy, and why Fed Chair Jerome Powell says a December rate cut is “not a foregone conclusion.” Ryan Knutson hosts. Further Listening:  - The Government Shutdown: Who Will Blink First? - The Drama at the Fed as It Debates Cutting Rates  Sign up for WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Yesterday, the Federal Reserve announced that it was cutting interest rates again, by a quarter of a point.

0:11.0

But big whoop, everybody knew that was coming. What people are really dying to know is what the Fed will do next.

0:20.0

Interest rate policy isn't just about what the Fed does at the meeting.

0:25.0

They cut interest rates or they raise interest rates.

0:27.3

That's our chief economics correspondent, Nick Timoros.

0:30.3

It's about what they say is the most likely path forward.

0:35.1

Markets price that in.

0:36.4

The bond market reacts to that. Financial conditions

0:39.3

change because of what they expect the Fed to do. Nick, it seems like every time we have you on the

0:45.4

show, you come up with a very useful metaphor for what is going on at the Fed. So what is the

0:50.9

metaphor that you have for us today? Well, so the metaphor I would use is the one that Jay Powell, the Fed Chair, used yesterday.

0:59.0

They are driving in the fog right now because of this data blackout that resulted from the government shutdown.

1:09.0

You could imagine that, you know, what do you do if you're driving in the fog?

1:13.6

You slow down.

1:14.6

So that could or could not.

1:16.6

I don't know how that's going to play into things.

1:19.6

For the Federal Reserve, the government shutdown has made the road ahead really hard to see.

1:24.6

For the last month, they have not had access to the high-quality economic statistics they use to calibrate their policy decisions.

1:34.3

It's like driving in the fog with a GPS that has no signal.

1:38.3

Driving in the fog, your GPS is out, your speedometer is not working.

1:43.3

The gas light is on, maybe. Well, and you're always sort is not working. The gas light is on, maybe?

1:46.0

Well, and you're always sort of not sure if the readings are right, if the visibility is what you think it is.

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