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Capitalisn't

Is The College Promise Broken? - ft. Noam Scheiber

Capitalisn't

University of Chicago Podcast Network

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4.5584 Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Instead of corporate management, many college grads are finding themselves in low-paying service roles. Is this widening gap between expectations and realities reshaping the modern American workforce?

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0:00.0

There's some interesting work from economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis,

0:03.9

who looked at the kind of lifetime return on a college degree.

0:08.0

And it found that once you include debt, the lifetime return to a degree had been just steadily dropping generation by generation.

0:17.5

I'm Bethany McLean.

0:19.1

Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed's a good idea?

0:24.4

And I'm Luigi Zengalis.

0:25.7

We have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

0:31.3

And this is Capital Isn't, a podcast about what is working in capitalism.

0:35.2

First of all, tell me, is there some society you know that doesn't

0:38.7

run on greed? And most importantly, what isn't? We ought to do better by the people that get left

0:43.7

behind. I don't think we shouldn't kill the capital system in the process. So Karl Marx had a very

0:49.8

clear theory about how capitalism would end. As the system matured, society would split into two

0:55.0

classes, the owners of capital and the workers who had nothing to sell but their labor.

0:59.3

Workers would become increasingly exploited and alienated until they finally revolted.

1:04.1

And here's where the story does get really interesting. Marks imagine that the revolution

1:08.0

would be led by the industrial working class. But historically, revolutions are often catalyzed by people who are educated and ambitious,

1:15.0

people who are expected to rise and instead find themselves blocked.

1:18.3

Which makes the moment we're living in especially intriguing.

1:22.5

Because some of the most visible labor activists in the United States today are not factory workers, but college graduates.

1:30.4

In his new book, Mutiny, New York Times reporter Nome Scheiber, who has spent the past decade

1:35.0

covering labor in the workplace, writes that the college wage premium is how much more you make

1:39.9

with a degree compared with if you only have a high school diploma. But a tectonic ship started

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