Is the Calvinist-Arminian Debate Really Important?
Ask Pastor John
Desiring God
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🗓️ 4 May 2020
⏱️ 15 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Is the Calvinist Armenian debate overblown? |
| 0:07.6 | It's a question today from a young man, a listener to the podcast who writes in to ask |
| 0:12.2 | us this. |
| 0:13.2 | Hello, Pastor John. |
| 0:14.2 | I've argued about predestination and free will with fellow believers for years. |
| 0:18.2 | I'm a five point Calvinist myself, but lately these conversations have grown tire-sum to |
| 0:23.0 | me. |
| 0:24.0 | No amount of debate seems to settle all the questions, and I recently read a letter by |
| 0:27.6 | C.S. Lewis, where he called the Calvinist Armenian debate pretty much pointless, because |
| 0:32.3 | it only answers questions about this life, answers meaningless in eternity. |
| 0:37.5 | Lewis wrote this quote, both the statement that our final destination is already settled |
| 0:42.4 | is Calvinism, and the view that it still may be either heaven or hell, it's Armenianism, |
| 0:48.6 | seemed to me to imply the ultimate reality of time, which I don't believe in. |
| 0:54.1 | The controversy is one I can't join on either side, for I think that in the real, timeless |
| 0:59.6 | world, it is meaningless. |
| 1:02.4 | End quote. |
| 1:03.4 | Pastor John, I think Lewis raises a fair question here. |
| 1:06.5 | Is this whole debate time bound? |
| 1:09.5 | And even within time, I find myself more and more asking, what is the real life fallout? |
| 1:14.6 | Is the practical and spiritual value of Calvinism for this life significantly better? |
| 1:21.5 | How? |
| 1:22.5 | Oh, Lewis, Lewis, Lewis, my friend, my mentor, let's start here. |
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