I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about the bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry and curse

the patriarchy. We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we

can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us

about love, sex and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about a book by two people who host another podcast.

We're getting real meta today because we are here to talk about how to win the bachelor,

the secret to finding love and fame on America's favorite reality show. And we're joined by

authors Chad Colchon and Lizzie Pace who also host the very popular Game of Roses podcast.

Thanks so much for joining us guys.

Thanks for having us.

Also excited. We've been following you guys for a very long time. All the stuff you're

joining at Huffington Post, all the articles, the old podcasts. Now the new podcasts we

think that you guys are like, you know, legends in the game definitely legends, but also

like an integral part of what we think is this kind of it's a little new. It's maybe

a little old at this point, but this tier of coverage of the bachelor of what we call

our beloved game. And there are like always new podcasts coming out and it's it's fantastic

to see what you're doing, I think. Thank you. We're so honored to hear that. And like,

we're such big fans of this book, which like blew my mind. Like as you said, we have been

doing kind of like critical coverage of the show for a while. And so I was surprised

to see how much I had to learn about all the ways it's constructed and all the ways that

it can be kind of deconstructed, which you guys do so well. Yeah. It's it's really such

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