Is Starmer’s Apology Enough?
Politics Unpacked
Anna Covell
4.1 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 5 February 2026
⏱️ 24 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
Keir Starmer says he’s sorry for believing Peter Mandelson’s lies, as anger grows over Mandelson’s appointment as ambassador to the US - but is his apology enough? Or could it prove fatal to Starmer’s leadership?
Hugo Rifkind unpacks the politics of the day with Matthew Syed and Sarah Ditum.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day, |
| 0:10.2 | from Kirstama fighting for his political future, to why Peter Mandelson might just make the perfect president of FIFA, |
| 0:16.6 | and also perhaps why wearing a tie can make you look younger. |
| 0:20.1 | And joining me to unpack all of that, no ties required. |
| 0:22.7 | Are Sarah Daitam? Hello, Sarah. |
| 0:24.8 | Hello. How are you? I can't see you. But are you wearing a tie? Oh, can you not see me. You should... Oh, I'm sure you can see me. It's just how the screens are work. I can't. I don't care about this. Beautiful. Yeah. |
| 0:35.8 | Well, I came back from four days in Paris yesterday. |
| 0:41.0 | So I started. Well, I came back from four days in Paris yesterday. |
| 0:40.9 | So I came back into a complete deluge of news. |
| 0:44.9 | I think I left when it was still sort of sleepy tail end of January, not much happening. |
| 0:49.7 | And just walk back into just newsageddon. |
| 0:53.7 | Well, welcome back to the Madhouse. And I'm also joined by Matthew Syed, who hasn't put on a tie either. I've not put on a tie. I've very rarely wear a tie. Yeah, I do own ties. I've very rarely wear a shirt. That makes it sound like I'm naked. I'm not. Let's move on. Obviously, we need to talk about everything that is going on with Kirstama, with his woes over Peter Mandelson. He has, as we speak, he was, well, he was speaking this morning in Hastings. He made a sort of rousing condemnation of Peter Mandelson at the beginning of his speech, which was, of course, intended to be at something else. The atmosphere in Westminster, yesterday, was certainly something else. There was an audible intake of breath when the Prime Minister admitted he had known that Mandelson and Epstein |
| 1:30.6 | remained friends when he was appointed ambassador. Speaking to Times Radio, the Labour |
| 1:34.0 | Community Secretary Steve Reid gave a defence for the Prime Minister and his chief of staff. |
| 1:38.2 | Everyone regrets the appointment of Peter to Mandelson, but the appointment was made because |
| 1:42.3 | he lied. It was a rational appointment |
| 1:45.6 | given Mandelson's experience. So Morgan McQueenie shouldn't resign. He shouldn't resign. |
| 1:49.9 | But given what we know now, of course, that appointment should not have been made. Should Morgan |
| 1:55.0 | McSweeney resign? Is the question? Well, you shouldn't have to resign from your job because somebody |
| 1:59.0 | lies to you, no. The mood on the Labour back benches is, though, furious. |
| 2:03.1 | Here's the Labour MP Carl Turner, speaking to Times Radio earlier. |
| 2:06.2 | Look, I've got to be honest with you. |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Anna Covell, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Anna Covell and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.

