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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots.

I'm James Hill and I'm joined today at the Labour Party Conference by Katie Pauls and Isabel Hardman.

We've just heard on day 3 of the Labour Conference a Keir Starmer speech. Isabel, what was your reaction to that?

I think it was a speech that did exactly what the Labour Party wanted Keir Starmer to do.

It's not going to be one that's going to go down in the, you know, the Labour history book

is one that changed the face of the party or that was full of particularly soaring rhetoric or anything like that.

But it showed as the rest of this conference has that Keir Starmer and his front bench are really quite serious about trying to win now

to the extent that they're actually thinking practically about what they want to do when they're in government.

I thought it was quite striking that the central announcement was of this great British energy company,

a publicly owned company and that got the biggest and most emotional standing evasion in the thought

which will be dedicated to generation of energy not supplying it straight to domestic customers.

But it was interesting because I have to admit that earlier in the week, I think I said this on the podcast,

that the announcement by Louise Hague, the Shadow Transport Secretary of bringing the railways back into public ownership,

I thought that was a bit of an aberration, whereas actually it's apparently a central tenant of Starmerism

that there are going to be these publicly owned companies. They're not nationalising existing companies or anything like that,

but the Labour party's view of the state is of one that is actively involved in different sectors in a way that it isn't at the moment.

And I thought that was very interesting, it was something that pleased the whole, but also given the way in which the political window,

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