Pastor John, what would you say to a man or to a woman who is considering a six-change

operation?

These are not amorphous folks.

They're clearly in, obviously, genetically and physically, a man or a woman.

And he or she wants a gender change.

What would you say to someone considering the transgender option?

Tony, the first thing I want to say is that anybody listening to this who's about to

switch this off saying, could, night, transgender, that is so irrelevant to me, I don't need

to listen to this today, give me a minute before you turn this off.

Consider this.

The cover of Time Magazine for June 9, if you haven't seen it, has Le Verne Cox, born

a boy, now living with a different sexual, sexual identification, acting on TV in the

orange as a new black, as a woman and featured as an admirable person, pictured as a woman

with a painful story in the hope that we, the readers, would all affirm this way of life,

the article and the interview with Le Verne are all about transgender experience, like

it or not, this is what I'm saying to me and to us, like it or not, it is following

right behind homosexual behavior in our culture, in its aim to be mainstream and celebrated,

not to do so, will be as the interview makes crystal clear, to be seen as hung up with

our own sexual insecurities and at worst, hateful.

So it's relevant, really fun, really relevant, and let me give you another couple of scenarios.

What will you do, what will you say, either clergy or layman, if a family visits your church,

whose 15-year-old son attends your youth group wearing a dress, long curly hair, painted

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