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Hello and welcome to a special Saturday's Shelf Coffee How-Shots. I'm James Heel and I'm joined

today by a spectator's political editor Katie Bulls and special guest James Johnson,

Polster and co-founder of Chale Partners. Looking at the polls where they are, Katie,

first of all, is Scottish independence now dead? Well, I think it's too soon to say,

is the answer, which we could end the podcast there, but that probably wouldn't be such a good idea.

But I think it is fair to say, it feels like it's been dealt a setback this week,

free-led departure, and Nicola Sturgeon. And if you speak to figures unionists,

I'm much more happier than nationalists this week in terms of the general cause. Obviously,

there was some in the S&P who would like a different leader, but I think when you talk about

the chance of independence in the near future, that is seen as less likely than it was seen

on Tuesday evening before Nicola Sturgeon resigned. Though, of course, there was plenty to suggest

that the independence course was struggling, I think, which was a contributing back to

for Nicola Sturgeon. So it's not so, it was so, you know, peak and now she's walked away as

completely changed. I think the problem for nationalists is if you think back to the past few

years, and I say this as someone who was born and has lived my life, even though my accent

doesn't suggest to perhaps make English parents, I feel as though the point where independence

looked the most likely to happen, or the time of the unionists had the most difficult case,

was when you had Boris Johnson as Prime Minister and Nicola Sturgeon as First Minister,

and when you had Nicola Sturgeon, he was very popular, I think there are some polls suggesting

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