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Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, my name is Robert Lam. And I'm Joe McCormick and we're back with part two of our discussion of whether or not Santa Claus is technically a god, at least according to the most common criteria used by cognitive science of religion.

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Okay, so we've been talking about these criteria that Justin Barrett raises that you will find common to pretty much all beliefs in gods among religions you find in the world.

That gods tend to be counterintuitive in some way, often minimally counterintuitive, that they tend to be intentional agents, that they have strategic information, that they in some way act in the world and that they're capable of motivating behaviors that reinforce belief.

Oh, and that's one other thing we should have emphasized, I guess we didn't, is that the most important thing about the behaviors that the gods motivate, the rituals or whatever, is that the motivated action, most important to do is to do what they want to do.

The most important to this system is that it reinforces the original belief itself.

Right, yeah, because that's how it continues. It has to sustain itself through that.

Yes. So I was just thinking to myself, okay, these five criteria, what happens if we apply them to certain fictional entities that either claim to be god or are believed to be a god of some sort within the fiction?

Okay, take a gozer of the gazarian, for instance.

One of the best.

So it's a minimally counterintuitive concept. It has agency, it does a lot of stuff, but does it offer strategic information?

I don't know if it offers it, I think it probably has it.

Yeah, I also, the only good example I had of this is that, okay, certainly it has strategic information because it can see into your thoughts, see what mental pictures you are filling your brain with.

So I think that would count. It also has information that the world will be destroyed by itself.

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