Hey with me right now is Sage Steele. How do I know? I've met her in person and she looks exactly the same.

She's got a great podcast called The Sage Steele Show. And when she comes here, she steals the show. Wow. And looks to book you. And thanks so much for coming in, Sage. I love hanging with you though. No offense to everybody else. Was I the first Fox person? I was. Yes. Okay. Yes, right after I left the Hispanic Pan, I remember being so nervous to meet you.

Right.

And you're not scary.

I'm really not scary.

No, I'm sorry.

I deserves the credit for that, right, Allison? Because you realized when you were finally a free agent, you did your first interview with Megan, Megan Kelly. Yeah, 48 hours later, pretty raw. Yeah. That was, I think back about that time. And it's, that was August of 23.

Wow. And she, we became friends because we had the same attorney that she dealt with that, that helped her after her NBC fiasco and then me with ESPN with Brian Friedman.

He's also with Justin Baldoni right now. Like the guy is a genius, frankly.

And so that's how Megan and I met and she had me on. And from there, who knew? Then I'd be allowed in this building at some point, too. Well, absolutely. And now you're on with Sean all the time. Yeah. You're on with Jesse all the time. Jesse, yeah. So, and how's the podcast world going?

It's going well.

Brian, this whole thing is a thing that I had wanted no part of. And now here we are. I love it. I think it's taken me a minute to fully appreciate the freedom with it. And when all you know is 30 years of network, local regional national. Get it done, right? Yes. And directives and 64 bosses. Like I, it's so weird to be able to say, you know what, I would be honored if I could talk to Brian Kilmeet on my show, which is going to happen. And so that freedom meant to talk about whatever you want and to have an opinion that I believe should be based in fact, right? But to go out there and say

what you want and not be afraid of what your employer's can. I used to get pulled in and asked about, well, you know, why are you liking this person's tweets? We're noticing this. It's like, what? So the freedom part of it is amazing. I'm not a great entrepreneur. I've never done that. I had no interest. My husband fortunately is and is helping with that side of it. He's done that his whole life.

But it's it's a blessing. I had no interest. My husband fortunately is and is helping with that side of it. And he's done that his whole life.

But it's a blessing. There's so many blessings that come with getting canceled. Who knew? Who knew? Don't you think the canceled era is virtually over? I feel like it, but they're hanging on. They don't want to let go of it, you know? But what happens is that when people like, I hate to sound dramatic, but you rise from the ashes, when you believe that you were worthless actually, you're like, oh my gosh, everybody's crashing on me that this must be true. And then you wake up the next day and you're still breathing. And then you're like, wow, I can actually walk and talk to. When you do that, others who've lived in fear of speaking up, realize, well, maybe I need to do this too. Maybe it's my time because if they survived it, then I can too. And that is one of the reasons why I think now, yeah, the cancel culture era is going away quickly, not quickly enough in my mind, compared to what so many people have been through. But courage begets courage. And I never looked at my thing as courage. It was just standing up for what I thought was right. But Riley Gaines talks about that all the time. And courage begets courage. And when you speak, look at all these other young women athletes who are now stepping up and saying, no, I shouldn't have to be in a locker room with a boy.

This is sick. But I don't know that that would have happened if not for some of those young women like Riley. Well, look at Megan Rapino. This is to your point, not mine. She is still

ripping on everything that doesn't say that there are two, there are seven genders and men should be able to play on the women's national team. I guess what would that do to her?

You know, I had so much respect for her. And I would like to separate that as a player, right? But otherwise, and I try not to personalize it, but she disgusts me. Because what she has done has been strategic. And maybe she believes this the whole time. Maybe she's just virtue settling. I don't know, I think she believes it. But to wait until the end of your career when you've got millions of dollars in your pocket, to then all of a sudden say, yeah, it's fine. And all you anti-trans, racist, like the stuff that she's called me and many other people.

I didn't know she attacked you.

Oh, she did.

She did it with me, Dave Chappelle, and someone else in the same sentence and how we are a danger to the trans community with what we say that women's spaces should be protected.

And it is just so convenient and sick that she waits to the end.

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