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Katie, you said only this week that you would eat your heart if Rishi Sunak didn't vote

through a Liz Trust budget.

How are you feeling today?

Well, today I've eaten Nando's actually, not my hat and I'm obviously relieved.

I remember in Paddy Ashtown had to face the prospects of that after making a false

prediction on a recent general election.

So yeah, I've avoided that fate, but I suppose going to those comments, I think as we discussed

on the podcast the other day, what had happened was Rishi Sunak did not give a clear answer

in a hustling on this question and he was asked again today and in TV and he did go

further.

I think it does just point to what we were talking about, which is he doesn't want to take

the premise, which is that he's going to be back on the back ventures in a few weeks

time.

But ultimately, finance bills are confidence votes, also on the things I talked about in

the magazine this week.

I think that whoever wins at the moment, most likely to be Liz Trust is going to have

a very difficult time uniting an unruly parliamentary party, but for all the current

dislike and the fact the main debate in the leadership contest is on tax cuts and

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