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The Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey

Is Red Meat the Fountain of Youth? Paul Saladino : 1229

The Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey

Dave Asprey

Fat, Health & Fitness, Meditation, Biohacking, Lifestyle, Diet, Science, Self-improvement, Fasting, Nutrition, Hacking, Fitness, Brain, Wellness, Education

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🗓️ 5 December 2024

⏱️ 106 minutes

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Summary

Does Calorie Restriction Even Work? What About the Carnivore Diet AND Fruit?  

Today we are excited to have Paul Saladino join us for a masterclass on food and diets. Dr. Saladino dives into the evolution of keto and carnivore diets, cutting through trends to focus on lasting health impacts. Dr. Saladino, widely recognized as CarnivoreMD, shares how his own diet shifted to include fruit and honey alongside animal-based nutrition, and why metabolic flexibility—not rigid rules—leads to better outcomes. Together, he and Dave challenge assumptions about long-term ketosis, examine its potential downsides, and explore how to optimize diets for energy, gut health, and longevity. 

They also tackle controversial topics like the risks of seed oils, the overhyped reputation of “health foods” like quinoa, and the critical roles insulin and nutrient density play in overall wellness. With insights on balancing mTOR, managing omega fats, and incorporating organ meats, this episode offers a nuanced perspective for anyone interested in biohacking, nutrition science, or simply eating smarter. 

What you’ll learn: 

• Why metabolic flexibility matters more than strict diet rules 

• The science behind long-term ketosis and insulin’s broader role in health 

• How common “health foods” could be doing more harm than good 

• The importance of nutrient-dense animal-based foods for gut and immune health 

• How to achieve optimal balance between fat types, mTOR, and longevity markers 

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Timestamps: 

00:00 Intro 

00:40 Paul Saladino’s Evolution in Diet 

01:21 Challenges of a Strict Carnivore Diet 

03:36 Reintroducing Carbohydrates 

05:32 Debunking Common Diet Myths 

13:49 The Problem with Calorie Restriction 

18:30 The Importance of Food Quality 

24:08 The Veganism Debate 

34:15 The Benefits of Organ Meats 

37:27 Foot Surgery and Bone Density 

39:23 Mineral Deficiency and Plant-Based Diets 

40:00 The Truth About Seed Oils 

41:10 Historical Studies on Seed Oils 

47:26 Mechanisms and Effects of Seed Oils 

52:33 Nicotine and Neuroprotection 

54:12 Oleic Acid and Longevity 

01:01:44 The Benefits of Animal Fats

01:02:32 Odd Chain Fatty Acids and Health 

01:11:07 Cheese and Dairy Considerations 

01:13:11 The Impact of Cheese on Health 

01:14:03 Protein Intake and Longevity 

01:14:54 Understanding mTOR and Its Effects 

01:17:35 Ideal Body Fat and Metabolic Health 

01:24:38 The Role of Omega Fatty Acids 

01:32:46 ApoB, Insulin Sensitivity, and Longevity 

01:43:09 Final Thoughts and Product Recommendations 


 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Calorie restriction fails 70 to 85% of the time for people. I wouldn't be surprised if there has been some funding behind this calorie's idea to confuse people.

0:08.8

Every time I had quinoa, I would see it in my poop the next day. There's no nutrition that I got from that.

0:12.9

Keenwa's garbage. I ate so much oatmeal in college that I stretched my femur. Every single bowl of oatmeal that you are eating is robbing you of minerals.

0:20.5

You need to supplement minerals first. And I recommend taking organs.

0:24.4

So I brought you my favorite supplement that we make, testicle, liver, and blood.

0:30.9

You're listening to The Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey.

0:37.1

Today is an in-person interview, my favorite kind here at the studios in Austin, Texas,

0:43.2

with none other than Paul Saladino.

0:46.6

And Paul, if you don't follow him on social media, is a well-known physician talking about

0:52.5

what happens when you eat meat.

0:55.3

I would say that you're a leader in the carnivore space.

0:58.8

You're a guy I really respect because you're willing to evolve.

1:03.0

Thank you.

1:03.8

And so many people get stuck on an idea, and then they just do it and do it and do it.

1:09.8

And you can actually make the most money that way online. If you just build a cult and then they just do it and do it and do it. And you can actually make the most money that way online.

1:12.4

If you just build a cult and then you say, I'm keto, I'm keto, I'm keto, even though

1:17.4

keto breaks people.

1:18.5

Like the reason I wrote the Bulletproof diet was because the keto diet home meal was 50 pounds,

1:21.6

the other 50 pounds.

1:22.4

I had to not do keto and go in and out and all this.

1:25.2

Right. So you're, well, I'm carnivore, except I eat fruit.

1:29.3

So I just have to ask you this.

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