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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, The Spectators' Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Cindy U

and I'm joined by Katie Balls and James Forsyth. So today, the news in Westminster,

is about Angela Rainer, the deputy labour leader and what she's had to say about law and order.

Here's what she told Matt Ford on his podcast. You know what, on certain things I'm not, though,

because on things like law and order, I'm like quite hard line.

I'm like, you know, shoot the terrorists and ask question second of the money.

I'm like, sorry.

No, God, they like it.

That's the most controversial thing about the fact.

No, absolutely.

Now, Katie, this is the new Labour leadership, you know, trying to say that they're tough on crime.

What do you make of it?

Yeah, I mean, no, I think the reaction has been pretty predictable so far.

So the Labour left, Diane Abbott, figures, you know, commentators such as Owen Jones, have all come out and ultimately

condemned this. What is the purpose of Angela Rainer's statement? I mean, she is known for,

I think, quite colourful language in that sense. She's one of those members of the shadow

cabinet who has the most personality. It's got her into trouble in the past,

if you think about Labour conference where she talked about Tory scum, eventually apologised,

but several months later. I think on this one, though, I would imagine, I mean, let's see where

it goes, but I think clearly Labour wants to be taken seriously on law and order. Is this a planned intervention?

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