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Oh, welcome to the latest episode of podcast. I'm your host David Rothkoff coming to you today from New York City.

We are joined today as Amber on a Monday by Corey Shockey of the American Enterprise Institute who's conceivably in Washington, D.C. is no.

I have skated home to California because we have little kids in the mix for Thanksgiving in the Shockey track.

I am responsibly quarantining so it's not to be a danger to them.

You are a great citizen, Corey, as we have always known, but we are also joined and I'm guessing from Washington, D.C.

by Constanza Stelsenmuller who is an expert on German European and Trans-Atlantic Foreign and Security Policy and Strategy and the inaugural holder of the Fritz Stern Chair on Germany and Trans-Atlantic Relations at the Center for the United States and Europe at Brookings. Welcome.

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