All right, all right, all right. Welcome to Pines with Aquinas.

Everybody today, we have an excellent debate scheduled for you between William Ulbract

and Father Ramsey. They're going to be debating this resolution. There is payment or satisfaction

after death for unrepentant sins such that a suffering soul will be freed from any suffering

or punishment and attain paradise. The reason it's perhaps more nuanced than other purgatory

debates you might be familiar with is that Father Ramsey is orthodox. I'm sure there'll

be a lot of people who confuse them entirely. They'll think that Ulbract might be a Protestant

or something, but Father Ramsey is an orthodox priest. William Ulbract is a Catholic. So

we have the format below. We have two 15 minute opening statements followed by two 20 minute

cross-examination periods. Then we'll do some Q&A. And so if you want to make sure your

question gets asked, send it as a super chat. We might be able to ask your question if

it's not that, just to make sure that we see it. And then finally, after the Q&A period,

there'll be two closing statements of 10 minutes each. Sound good? All right. Well, let's

begin now with William. You have 15 minutes to present your opening statement and whenever

you begin, I'll click the timer. Wonderful. I will begin now. Thank you very

much, Matt, for having me here. And thank you for joining me yet again, Reverend Dr.

Ramsey. Today, we're going to be talking about purgatory purification, post-mortem purification

the afterlife. And I'm exactly what that entails within Catholicism as that is what is being

challenged today. My goal today is to show that we have a whole lot more in common than

perhaps many people realize and the goal is to reach those commonalities rather than

to draw a greater wedge, a greater divide between what are very clearly apostolic traditions.

The Bible tells us very clearly that nothing in clean can enter heaven and the context of

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