Is Play the New Work with Cas Holman

Alive with Steve Burns

Lemonada Media

Society & Culture

5.0 • 588 Ratings

🗓️ 10 December 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Steve and Cas get silly as they discuss the serious work of play and how it shapes and enriches our lives. Cas Holman is a toy designer, writer, and expert on design. She developed the renowned Rigamajig line of toys. Cas was previously a professor at Syracuse University and the Rhode Island School of Design. She was featured on Netflix’s Abstract: The Art of Design. Exclusive $35 off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/ALIVE. Promo Code ALIVE. Use code alivewithsteve at the link below to get an exclusive 60% off an annual Incogni plan: https://incogni.com/alivewithsteve. Get last-minute hosting essentials, gifts for all your loved ones, and decor to celebrate the holidays for WAY less. Head to wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to zocdoc.com/alive to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today. Alive with Steve Burns listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/stevealive. You can follow Steve Burns @steveburnsalive on Instagram. Watch full episodes of Alive on YouTube. Stay up to date with Lemonada on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at @LemonadaMedia. If you haven’t yet, now is a great time to subscribe to Lemonada Premium. You’ll get ad-free episodes and bonus content from Steve. Just hit the 'subscribe' button on Apple Podcasts, or, for all other podcast apps head to lemonadapremium.com to subscribe. Click this link for a list of current sponsors and discount codes for this show and all Lemonada shows: lemonadamedia.com/sponsors See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0	Lemonada
0:02.0	Hello
0:05.0	Hello, very good to see you are.
0:19.0	Very, very good to see you. Come on in. Welcome to Alive. Okay, I have a very fun question for you today. When was the last time you played? No agenda, no goal, nothing to prove, just for the fun of it, played.
0:43.3	Mm-hmm.
0:48.3	Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
0:52.3	And how did that feel? Right?
0:55.0	Yeah.
1:00.0	Right? Yeah.
1:01.5	There's tea, if you'd like some tea.
1:03.0	Okay, let's have some tea.
1:07.0	So, here's the thing about play.
1:10.0	I think it gets a bad rap.
1:14.6	I do.
1:18.6	Because play feels extra.
1:19.6	It feels frivolous.
1:23.6	It feels like something you do instead of doing the thing that you're supposed to be doing, right?
1:26.6	I mean, it's fun, sure.
1:36.3	But something about it feels extracurricular.
1:39.3	Here you go.
1:44.9	But the thing is,
1:47.7	I'm not buying it.
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