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Moral Maze

Is pacifism admirable, immoral, or just impractical?

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.4623 Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2023

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Is pacifism virtuous, admirable, impractical, immoral or stupid?

War and militarism are in the news every day. In the Budget, the Chancellor announced an extra £11bn in defence spending over the next five years, to counter threats from hostile states. It comes alongside news of a new defence pact with the US and Australia in response to Chinese military power. The war in Ukraine has seen advanced weapons rushed in by Western countries to support the fight against Russia. But alongside the talk of battles and territory won and lost, there is also talk of the horrors of war. There are renewed demands for peace, and some say it should be peace at any price. In Germany, protest marchers assert that sending more weapons to Ukraine pours fuel on the fire, causing more death, misery and destruction. They claim to detect a change of mood and point out that the latest film adaptation of “All Quiet on the Western Front”, a 1929 novel by the German pacifist, Erich Maria Remarque, has just picked up four Oscars to add to its 14 Baftas. Western leaders insist that Russia most lose the war, and be seen to lose, but is it really better to create more bloodshed, sacrifice more lives, in order to achieve something closer to justice? Forcing Ukraine to negotiate now and inevitably cede territory could bring the violence to an end and start the process of rebuilding. Or is that “giving in” and encouraging further aggression by Russia and others? Is pacifism virtuous and admirable? Immoral and stupid? Or is it, perhaps just impractical? What is the moral case for choosing peace over justice?

Producer: Jonathan Hallewell Presenter: William Crawley Editor: Gill Farrington

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0:00.0

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0:04.6

Thanks very much. Good evening. The 15th of March, 1939, was the infamous day when Hitler's forces invaded Czechoslovakia.

0:13.7

And comparisons abound for some with the march of Vladimir Putin's forces into Ukraine a year ago.

0:19.9

Just as the map of Europe was withdrawn after the Second World War,

0:23.5

today's global power lines have shifted and tilted

0:27.0

as Western government's poor military aid into Ukraine,

0:31.3

though not as fast enough for President Zelensky.

0:35.0

They also look over Russia's shoulder to China, pondering what its

0:39.3

continuing rise as a military power means for Western-style democracy. Australia, the UK and the US

0:46.5

have also united to form Ocus, a kind of NATO for the Indo-Pacific, and in the budget, the Chancellor

0:53.0

announced £11 billion more in UK defence spending.

0:57.6

As the drumbeats of militarism get louder, the sound of protest is being heard too in various parts of Europe.

1:04.7

Voices raised in opposition to war as a means of resolving global disputes, and against sharing the weapons of war.

1:12.2

They call for an immediate peace,

1:14.2

political compromise, and negotiated future.

1:17.1

So, is there a moral case for pacifism

1:20.3

in an age of increasing militarism?

1:23.0

The moral maze tonight.

1:24.5

Our panel, Melanie Phillips, social commentator with the Times,

1:28.2

the priest and author Giles Fraser, academic and broadcaster, Professor Mona Siddiqui, and the historian Tim Stanley.

1:34.6

Let me ask, first of all, Melanie, are you at all sympathetic to pacifism as a response to our

1:40.6

dangerous world? No, I think pacifism makes our world much more dangerous.

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