Hi, Jim.

Hi, Jim. How are you?

Uh, I'm not bad.

Yeah, great to hear from you. It's great to hear from you as always.

You only call when you want a podcast.

Uh, that's true. That's true. I'm a busy person. If I'm going to make a call, I figure

it should be content. This is social distance the

Atlantic's podcast about the pandemic I'm Jim Hamblin a doctor and staff writer at the Atlantic. I'm Jim Hamblin, a doctor and staff writer at the Atlantic.

I'm Mave Higgins. I'm a comedian and a contributing writer with the New York Times.

Mave, the first time you were on the show was a long time ago last spring and yeah we asked you about

live performance and how that was fairing in the early days of the pandemic.

Yeah even just then when I was introducing myself as a comedian,

it felt like a lie because, yeah, this time last year I was telling you and Catherine,

like, we weren't sure if we should cancel our shows but we did and I mean Jim like you know comedy shows you're sitting close to one another in the dark laughing which is yeah you know a great way to spread it

and and believe me laughing a lot yeah no I mean I I've been to your shows, you have, it's on hiatus I guess, but the most popular comedy show in Brooklyn, and I sit there and I look around the room and I just see people laughing and laughing.

You sit there in silence. Yeah, but it's great to see and it's

really fun to witness. But it's gone, you know, for now we've just started talking

about maybe you know there's this news that maybe by May

there'll be enough vaccines forever in the US. So maybe in the summer we might be able to have

some kind of outdoor shows even though like sitting outside in New York in the

summer is grotesque.

You haven't made your feelings about summer known in the pages of the times.

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