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forward slash mug. Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots. I'm James Seal and I'm joined today by

Katie Paul's and Fraser Nelson and this morning Fraser Farage has given his

first sort of big speech since the whole weekend row about what's happened he said

an interview about Vladimir Putin and his comments on Russia and Ukraine in that

speech in Mayston he was talking and he suggested that actually it was

the establishment's foreign policy and defense policy that was discredited. Do you think there's perhaps a chance that

Fraser that he's actually going to lean into this role and doubling down because it's a

way of discrediting the wider establishment? Nigel Farage needs to have something to say that makes a difference so he will

enlighten any debating point he can that means that we will lead this podcast

talking about him I mean he was on you know the front pages of all Sunday newspapers by saying something that nobody else will say,

that the West provoked this war.

Now what he said of course was, to my mind, you're pugnant.

But this is the Donald Trump trick, straight out of Trump's playback.

You say something that's going to get everybody denouncing you, and in doing so they're talking

about you. So it's like a kind of political judo here. You're using the weight of everybody else against them.

So they end up putting your picture, your arguments debating whether you are right or wrong.

Now on this particular thing, it doesn't really matter of his point resonates. It resonates a lot more in America than it might hear the idea that basically the Putin might have a point. You've a Tucker Carlson argument and that argument is certainly has got some traction in some of the far right in Europe.

When Zelensky was at the German Parliament a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that the AFD didn't turn up, nor did the far left.

So we can see on both the far left and the far right.

I think George Galloway, for example,

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