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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American power, politics and society.

On each episode, I will talk to an American expert or an expert on America

about something that's going on in America in 2023. We are in a port-caven in South London

at the Alliance. Is it the Alliance? Alliance for Responsible Citizenship.

Sorry, I'm not very good at acronyms.

It's ARC or ARC.

And this is a big several-day conference here in London.

Discussing and debating many things.

One of the things that is being talked about is energy.

And I'm delighted to be joined today by Robert Bryce who is a brilliant American writer

on energy, author of many books and you've submitted a paper for this conference.

Yeah. On electrification. Correct. And your thesis, and this has been the thesis,

but quite a lot of your work, is that net zero policies are hampering progress

in terms of real progress. I think the Britishism would be loony around the bend, bonkers,

crazy town, not going to happen. Give us a sort of overview of how badly net zero policies are

hampering global growth. Well, let me put it this way.

I can't say, oh, it's hampering by 1%, 2 percentage points.

But I think the entire scenario, the entire thesis of these net zero claims, it won't happen,

this net zero goal.

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