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Hello and welcome to Copy How Shots,

Suspectators' Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Katie Balls, and I'm joined by Isabelle Hardman and Jay of Forsyth.

So the Prime Minister has returned from a meeting of NATO.

James, do we start to see some divides in terms of what the various countries want?

So I think one of the reasons why Joe Biden was in Europe has traveled in person to his

meeting is to try and maintain the sense of Western unity. I mean it was telling that the US

didn't ask for things, that it knows that it's European allies aren't prepared to do,

for example, ending the imports of Russian order gas. Instead, there's a plan to try and allow

the EU to import more LNG from the US with the hope that Europe can begin to substitute Russian

pipeline gas with LNG from the US, Qatar and other countries. But that is going to be a long

process. I think the other tension is going to come, which has not happened yet,

is if Vladimir Putin starts looking for an off-ramp. I think the UK view is that the Ukrainians

cannot be expected to seed territory, that you cannot have a situation where Vladimir Putin

invades, it doesn't go according to plan, but he still comes away for chunk of Ukraine.

And I think the news this morning that the United Putin's United Russia party is trying to open

an HQ in Mariapol suggests that Putin is looking to annex that piece of territory in the same way

he did Crimea. But I think there are some other countries in the Western Alliance who would be

more interested in the question of, you know, an negotiated settlement that might, you know,

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