Drinking too much and hating yourself and feeling shame and regret and all of those things after a heavy boo session, it led me to not trust my own behaviour.

So I wouldn't end up going out because I knew every time I went out I was going to get more drunk than anyone

else there. So I ended up staying at home, which is similar to what happened to you, Lucy,

with your stay at home drinking, isn't it? We didn't trust ourselves in the end. And what a terrible thing to say. I mean, if you've got one person to, you know, have your back, it's got to be yourself, hasn't it? You've got to trust yourself.

And that Pino Grie purgatory, that place where I got stuck was a place where I didn't

any longer trust. yourself, hasn't it? You've got to trust yourself. And that Pino Grie Purgatory, that place where

I got stuck was a place where I didn't any longer trust myself and I did not know what the bloody

hell to do about it. And it's a scary place to be because you should have your back and I didn't

because I knew my behaviour so well that I couldn't control my drinking every time I went out. So yeah,

that was really the main place I got stuck in and it was a very lonely place and, you know,

I felt like the only person in the world that had a mid-range drinking problem. Therefore,

I didn't feel worthy of getting support. Yeah. And that's exactly what this is all about, is knowing that there are so many people

in this same space.

Just knowing that, just simply knowing you are not alone is a really nice feeling.

And actually, that makes a really good point, Lucy, as we spoke to my sister about it,

didn't we, yesterday?

Yeah.

She questioned for years and she got sober 20, two years ago. And she said that the reason she was crying when she listened to one of our podcasts last weeks because that help wasn't there for her. But that help is available now. And, you know, a lot of people should, you know, reach out because it is a thing, grey area drinking. It's not something we're making up and thousands of

people suffer. And the more that we all talk about it, I mean, we are talking about it all the

time, boring everybody senseless with it. But, you know, if everyone can talk about it and open up

about it and share it, it's going to really help everybody. You know, we don't have to feel shame

about it. We all drink and some

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