Is Migration Labour's Next Big Rebellion?
Politics Unpacked
Anna Covell
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🗓️ 17 November 2025
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
Shabana Mahmood's sweeping reforms to tackle illegal migration have already faced backlash from Labour's backbenches, how bad will it get for the Home Secretary?
Hugo Rifkind unpacks the politics of the day with Charlotte Ivers and Seb Payne.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day |
| 0:09.1 | from lefty think tanks to what the Green Party should do with its newfound funds and also the things that make you seem older than you are. |
| 0:16.3 | And joining me is the brilliant Charlotte Ivers. Hello, Charlotte. Hello, Hugo. How are you? |
| 0:20.1 | I'm very well, thank you. There's a sad, empty chair in this studio. It says here, joining me is the brilliant Charlotte Ivers and Seb Payne. But there is no Seb Payne. What have you done with him? I don't know. So he's definitely in this postcode because I got the same tube as him into work this morning and sort of spotted him across the carriage and went to say hello. |
| 0:38.1 | And now he's not here. |
| 0:39.1 | So I wonder if I scared him off. |
| 0:40.7 | I mean, |
| 0:40.9 | it's obviously deeply unprofessional to say anyone who's listening in the building if you see Seb, do send him in this direction. Because he is meant to be sitting here. But if you do, please do. I'm sure he'll get here eventually. John, let's begin |
| 0:51.9 | Ceblously, which is |
| 0:54.0 | my new word, with |
| 0:55.6 | immigration. This morning, the |
| 0:57.9 | Homestown. John, let's begin seblessly, which is my new word, with immigration. |
| 0:57.0 | This morning, the Home Secretary Shabana Mahmoud has been sort of floating her plans to tighten rules on illegal migration. |
| 1:03.3 | In a common statement later today, she's expected to... |
| 1:05.8 | Sorry to start laughing. |
| 1:08.3 | A sev running through the door. |
| 1:10.2 | Our seplessness is seem to be an end. He moves at some speed, doesn't he? |
| 1:14.3 | He really does. Hi, Seb. I thought it could be on your toes this morning. Anything you'd like to tell us? It's lovely to see you, Hugo. How late am I? very like incredibly late can i just say i mean before we crack on with like really much more important things, I saw you coming at some speed. |
| 1:27.9 | You're not at all out of breath. |
| 1:29.1 | Well done. |
| 1:29.6 | I did a row this morning, so I've been trying to improve my fitness vaguely. Right. Well, that seems to be working. Can I do my job now? Is that all right with you? That's fine with me, yes. Good. as I said we were going to begin with Shepana |
| 1:41.4 | MacMood's plan to |
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