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Hello, this is Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day from Donald Trump and Kirstalmers Press Conference at Chekers to why Manflue may be real at all. And joining me are two columnists who I doubt very much exaggerate just to get more attention. And they are Manveen Rana. Hello, Manveen. Never, never do that. Never, never exaggerate. Man Vien has brought me some manner of doughnut. What have I got today?

It's chocolate, be warned.

It's chocolate, excellent, while I'll eat it very, very carefully, while discussing more frivolous topics rather than very serious ones. And just like strolling in, even while I'm talking, without a care in the world. It's Matthew Syed. Hello, Matthew. I'm reading the running order, which is a great list of stories we're going to be debating.

I don't come into the studio

that often and I think the two or three times I've been in. But Manveen, it's interesting to meet you in the face because we argue such a lot. Yes. Have you never met before in the flash? I don't think we have. No, I don't think we have. This could be the start of a beautiful friendship. It was a very odd thing that we met just outside the studio, Hugo, and Manvine.

I think you had a start of a beautiful friendship. It was a very odd thing that we met just outside the studio, Hugo, and Manveen,

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