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Is List N Safe? List of Disinfectants for COVID-19 May Cause Long-Term Harm

Finding Genius Podcast

Richard Jacobs

Medicine, Health & Fitness

4.41K Ratings

🗓️ 23 December 2020

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

Disinfectant compounds are touted as virus killing but what else can they do to our health? Are disinfectants and COVID-19 both cause for concern? An exposure scientist helps listeners untangle some of these issues.

Listen and learn

  • What are disinfectants and how they work,
  • How studies indicate possible long-term development and reproductive effects from disinfectant exposures, and
  • What safer alternatives to disinfectants exist including soap and water and masks. 

A Chemical Exposure scientist discusses EPA's List N, which is a list of over 400 compounds that meet the EPA's criteria for use to kill SARS-CoV-2 particles. Two hundred of those listed are actually harmful "quats," or quaternary ammonium compounds. She helps listeners understand what this means and brings her big-picture thinking to our current reactive climate of applying disinfectants uniformly.

Her work includes researching chemicals in consumer products we come in contact with in our daily lives, including personal care products, disinfectants, and pesticides. She tells listeners that the disinfectants that are being used for COVID are actually considered pesticides, which is a cause for concern for our environment and health.

She says the only requirement for a compound to be on List N is the ability to kill the virus. There are no considerations for the safety of repeated use of such disinfectants. She is especially concerned that such products are being applied to school settings when there are safer alternatives like using soap and water on hands and wearing masks.

She adds that modes of exposure can be from non dietary ingestion like hand-to-mouth, but the main route of exposure is airborne, from fogging or spraying. Good ventilation can be key, but schools are often older buildings with bad ventilation systems. 

Listen in for what to consider in how we keep our communities safe, both short and long-term.

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0:30.4

This is the Finding Genius Podcast.

0:33.0

That is Richard Jacobs.

0:35.0

Hello, this is Richard Jacobs with the Finding Genius Podcast.

0:41.0

And we're going to talk about COVID-19 and a list called

0:45.0

List N of a, looks like 400 disinfectants that meet EPA's criteria for use against

0:51.4

Sarascovi, too. so we'll talk about that.

0:54.0

Absolutely, thank you for having me here today.

0:56.0

What's your role and how did you intersect with, you know, COVID?

1:00.0

I study basically chemical exposures and potential effects on human health.

1:04.6

And I have, my focus is on chemicals that are using consumer products that we, you know,

1:10.5

we come into contact with in our daily lives including personal care products

1:15.2

Pesticides and other chemicals and you know the disinfectants that are being used for COVID are considered

1:20.8

pesticides. Oh really pesticides? Yes. So what are some of the, I don't know if you lump hand sanitizer in it with this, but what are the top disinfectants used, you know, for SARS-Cobe too right now.

1:33.7

So let's take a little step back.

1:35.8

So pesticides are designed to repel or kill our particular pest.

1:41.4

In this case, you know, the one of the reasons why EPA is responsible for

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