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A Gay and A NonGay

Is Liking Pop Music Performative?

A Gay and A NonGay

W!ZARD Studios

Mental Health, Sexuality, Comedy, Health & Fitness

4.3632 Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

James and Dan are back with another hilarious deep dive into gay and non-gay life! Kicking off with a listener question about what gay people really listen to at the gym, things quickly spiral into a heated debate about whether liking Kylie or Madonna is performative — and whether James is secretly pretending to love Drag Race. From there, we head to the rugby, where James (fuelled by Sauvignon Blanc) and Dan find themselves surrounded by rainbow flags, drag queens... and straight lads... discovering how queer joy can transform even the most “blokey” of spaces. Along the way, we get into electric car nightmares, mosh pits at Download Festival and the unexpected shame of eating alone with a newspaper. Follow A Gay & A NonGay TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@gaynongay⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠gaynongay.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email Us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠us@gaynongay.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Channel 4 asked us to make an ad for Educating Yorkshire 2025.

0:03.0

So we made this. We're on Channel 4 and we're here to say, watch Educating Yorkshire it's on today, with a little bit of drama and a little bit of sass. Let's hope we're not late to class. Do you want to know what our high school's like? You do? Oh great, tune in tonight. Let's make our way to Thornhill High. Come on over, don't be shy, pen drop.

0:24.0

Educating your You do? Oh, great. Tune in tonight. Let's make our way to Thornhill High. Come on over. Don't be shy. Hand drop.

0:24.4

Educating Yorkshire 2025. Stream now on Channel 4.

0:35.3

Hello and welcome to a gay and non-gay. I'm James Barr. I am gay.

0:39.3

Yes, I'm Dan Hudson. I'm non-gay. Yes. Welcome along.

0:43.3

Cheers mate. Welcome along. Yo, as you misses. So, um, we always kick off again and on gay

0:49.3

with a question from our listeners. And today's question comes from Jack in Wales yeah yes and he says he

0:56.3

listens to punk music punk and rap at the gym right what do gay people listen to

1:01.8

right that's such a bizarre question is it I think it's quite an interesting

1:06.8

conversation because what he's possibly getting out there is when you're at the gym

1:11.7

you're in your own head right so you're this whereas a lot of gay people I guess are they want

1:19.6

you to know that they're into Kylie and this that and the other whether you know what I mean no

1:24.1

whether they are or they're not saying that it's performative. Potentially, yeah.

1:27.9

Wow.

1:28.4

So what the fuck?

1:30.4

That's outrageous.

1:31.7

You're saying that gay people liking steps, Kylie, Madonna. You're saying that's performative. I'm not in all cases

1:39.7

no but but do you not think there's a

1:41.6

there's a there's a there's a

1:43.7

conformity sometimes with

1:45.3

I think you need to get out of my way

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