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Thank you for coming to this rather unusual fringe events.

I'll tell you why it's unusual.

It's probably the only energy debate that hasn't got a sponsor in this whole concert.

Now we actually tried, I mean when we asked around saying

that we're going to be doing a French debate in energy policy there's quite a few

people were interested in it. When they found out we're going to be asking

if 2030 was deliverable, there was less interest in that topic.

I mention the words Gary Smith and the line goes dead pretty much.

So it was interesting actually which made us all the more intrigued to rather than drop Gary Smith to probably drop everybody else

to speak to Gary about what does he's got to say which doesn't seem to have the

lobbyists that infused.

I think we can all agree that this is a flagship policy of this new government.

Whether this is attainable or not, the merits of it will affect tens of thousands of jobs and the whole

country's electricity bills. What we're about to discuss could not be more

important, but there seems to be a certain narrowness of a discussion so far, which I think doesn't really do

justice to the subject. I mean the spectator we believe that subjects are best

to look at when you look at every single angle imaginable and you take the

all the debates on their merits a good idea a bad idea we have open debate and that's how we

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