Is Keir Starmer ‘complacent’ on defence?
Politics Weekly UK
The Guardian
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🗓️ 16 April 2026
⏱️ 30 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | This is The Guardian. |
| 0:10.0 | Lord Robertson, who authored the government's strategic defence review, |
| 0:14.0 | has said the Prime Minister has a corrosive complacency when it comes to defence. |
| 0:20.0 | Why did he say that to him? |
| 0:22.0 | Kirstama is being attacked for not raising defence spending. |
| 0:25.2 | Awkwardly for him, the criticism is coming from his own Labour peer, Lord Robertson. |
| 0:29.7 | So is Kirsteimma really starving the armed forces of cash? |
| 0:33.0 | And if he gives them more, where would he find the money? |
| 0:35.7 | I'm Raphael Bear, in for John Harris, |
| 0:37.8 | and you're listening to Politics Weekly for The Guardian. My colleague and guardian columnist |
| 0:44.0 | Gabby Hinsliff is with me. Hi, Gabby. Hello, Ralph. Now, let's get straight into it. Kirst |
| 0:49.0 | I'm probably used to getting abuse on military matters from Donald Trump by now, but he might have |
| 0:54.5 | hoped to avoid a roasting from a Labour peer and author of his own government's strategic |
| 0:59.7 | defence review. So Lord Robertson, former Labour Defence Secretary, you and I remember him well from |
| 1:04.9 | back in the day, former General Secretary of NATO, very, very serious military person, decided to |
| 1:10.6 | air his frustrations with the government's |
| 1:12.2 | failure to come forward with a 10-year spending plan for defence. So he said some pretty |
| 1:16.7 | fruity things. He said the government has shown a corrosive complacency towards defence. He said, |
| 1:23.5 | we are underprepared, we are underinsured, we are under attack. We are not safe. And he said that Britain's national security and safety is in peril. Those are strong words. So I kind of got two questions for you to begin with Gabby. First of all, is he right. And second of all, I mean, he makes it sound like Britain is literally at war. |
| 1:46.2 | And are we? |
| 1:47.9 | Some people would say we were. |
| 1:49.9 | I mean, there has been a sort of trend in Europe in recent months to argue that either that we are not at war, but we're also not at peace. |
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