Is Joy a Better Goal Than Fame? with Jonah Ray

Past Due with Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

Ana Marie Cox, Open Mike Eagle, and Andrew Steven

Business, Performing Arts, Arts, Society & Culture

4.6 • 6.4K Ratings

🗓️ 4 February 2026

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Jonah Ray joins us to talk about finding joy in creative work after letting go of the version of success he once chased. From DIY punk to rebooting MST3K, Jonah reflects on what happens when you stop waiting for permission and start making the stuff you actually want to see. We get into the fear of going unnoticed, and why it’s still worth it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	300 years of expertise in every twining sleep blend.
0:06.0	100 hours of craft in every cup.
0:10.0	Eight natural ingredients in every sip.
0:14.0	One night of winding down in every drop.
0:18.0	Your moment of serenity.
0:23.8	Brought to you by twining sleep.
0:25.1	Twinings.
0:27.8	Alive in every drop.
0:35.4	How do you keep building a career in an industry where success doesn't mean security?
0:37.9	Jonah Ray has built a career in comedy,
0:39.9	but even he has had to reinvent himself to survive in an industry
0:41.2	that never quite goes where you would expect.
0:43.5	Do you find this makes,
0:45.3	doing this podcast makes you feel better or worse?
0:49.8	The creative economy is broken,
0:51.9	but some people are still making it work.
0:54.1	We're here to find out how.
0:56.0	I'm Anna Marie Cox.
0:57.2	And I'm open Mike Eagle.
0:58.5	This is past two.
1:09.9	Jonah, how you doing today?
1:11.5	I'm doing okay. How are you?
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