Hey, everybody. It's me Sam Stein, managing out with the Bullwark.

And I'm here with Will Summer, and we're going to be talking about the newest entrant into the Florida Republican primary for governor, a character, a man named James Fishback, who is roiling the right, in part because I don't want to say he's like a Charlton.

He's got some credentials, but like his text messages, which you uncover from a

separate lawsuit, make him seem a little bit quirky, to put it mildly.

Why don't you explain to us why this guy, who this guy is and why he's running for office?

Yeah, so James Fishback is a 30-year-old.

A financier seems a little elevated investor that doesn't seem right

financier's not right he was like a mid-level guy at a I don't know what was it

a firm financial firm what was it at a hedge fund yeah hedge fund so is which I think is

pretty low-level analyst that's a good way to put it but he's he's kind of fashion

himself so he's 30 he's he's kind of this um you know I say in piece, he's kind of like a pipsqueaky energy. He's kind of like a little trapbacker guy. And basically, he's used his experience in the financial industry to be to fashion. He's like a do, he's a very big, he was a big supporter of Doge. He's on Fox business all the time. He's a real like, he's like Donald Trump's got to clean out the Federal Reserve. And so this is kind of how he built his platform. And now he's running against Byron Donald's, who is Trump's pick to be the next governor of Florida. And Trump people are flipping out about it because James Fishback, he has no, no political experience. He has, I think, very little credibility with voters, but he's willing to go absolutely nuclear constantly on Byron Donald's, and I think that is going to present, at least an irritant to them. I think it's worth, like, sort of explaining, like, because I don't think, normal people would say, okay, this guy's 30 years old and he was an analyst out of hedge fund. Like, how did he even get into the stratosphere where he would even consider the possibility of running for governor? Like, what the fuck? It's like an incredible amount of ego to do something like that. And what is his constituency? And I still don't quite know. Like, how did he get to this point? I mean, he was involved, I guess, in Doge and he's hyperactive online. But so are a lot of people. Like, what is the basis for this run? Well, he's got a healthy ego, I would say. And a very strong view of himself. I mean, he's a guy who basically, you know, I saw someone, he released his announcement video. I saw someone on X describe it as Maga Slop. I mean, he's jumping on to like every kind of, like in kind of a Trumpian way. He's jumping on a lot of these policy issues that I think are gaining currency on the right. Like he's extremely against H1B visas to have foreigners work in

America. He wants to abolish property taxes, which is obviously a Ron DeSantis thing, who he's kind of

trying to align himself with. He's against AI data centers. So he's getting on on these

kind of popular issues, I think particularly in Florida. He's really against outsiders moving to

Florida. He kind of made,

kind of made a smash when he was just like...

Isn't that like Florida's half of Florida's economy is snowbirds?

It is, but he's saying, you know,

if so run ruins New York,

I don't want to hear about it, stay out of Florida.

Semaphore profiled him and he interviewed a woman

or was meeting with a woman who had an idea that there should be a lottery to allow access to Florida for, for people from outside this day. Like you shouldn't just be able to move there freely. Um, and so that's he's kind of, he's just jumping on a lot of these sort of hot button issues. And that's how he, how he's built a lot of his profile. Again, it doesn't make for a profile.

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