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Ringside Toe2Toe Boxing Podcast

Is Itauma ready for Usyk? 🤔| Pat Brown shares title ambitions🏆| Dubois manager on camp shake-up 👀

Ringside Toe2Toe Boxing Podcast

Sky Sports

Sports, News, Sports News

4.1 • 918 Ratings

🗓️ 19 August 2025

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Andy Sott and Barry Jones are joined by two special guests—rising cruiserweight star Pat Brown and manager Sam Jones.  

Andy and Barry break down Moses Itauma’s explosive victory over Dillian Whyte and ask the big question: is the British heavyweight ready to challenge Oleksandr Usyk?  

Former Olympian Pat Brown shares his 12-month plan, detailing his path to title contention and what fans can expect in the year ahead.

Sam Jones, manager of Daniel Dubois, opens up about the fighter’s split from head trainer Don Charles and weighs in on the rumours linking Dubois to Tony Sims.  

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0:00.0

Well, hello and a champion's back.

0:03.0

This is how a legend get made.

0:06.0

Well, hello and a warm welcome to ringside toe to toe to, a boxing podcast exclusive to Sky Sports.

0:27.5

I'm Andy Scott, fresh back from my holidays and rare ring to go.

0:31.1

Joining me this week is former world champion Barry Jones and our special guests, Pat Brown and his manager, Sam Jones.

0:37.6

We're going to get started, though, really, Barry, to be absolutely fair.

0:41.5

There is only one place to start, so I hope you had a pretty smooth journey back from Saturday.

0:46.9

Thanks for coming straight off the back of it, but I wonder really if you can quantify

0:52.7

and kind of put into words just how impressive that was from Moses Itama

0:56.9

and I suppose in my mind if you didn't know already now you probably do know that he is the one

1:02.8

picking up the baton for British boxing that I said that's what I seen I was full of praise and I am

1:07.8

with him it's still hard to still know how good he is. I think he's brilliant. And he did what you have to do. You take control of a fight early and dominate and it didn't last long because he did that. There's always that thing in the back of your mind, how Mr. Dillon have left. And I don't think a lot. But I still thought more than that I got to be honest in the ring walk

1:29.2

I work I worked with Darren Parker

1:31.3

on the commentary and we took our headphones

1:33.4

off for a second and I said

1:34.9

look at Dillion it looks like he's

1:37.2

trying to look for something you haven't got

1:38.4

I think he thought you get to the stage

1:40.9

and he would kick in that feeling

1:42.7

that that focus

1:44.0

and I just thought you I thought you knew there I'm to the stage and he would kick in that feeling, you know, that focus.

1:41.2

And I just thought you knew there, oh, I just, I'm done. Do you think that? I think so. Because I think we all become experts after the event. And a lot of people said they didn't like the way he walked to the ring. But I said that, I said that when it was happening. I say, look, he looked, I didn't say, he looks like a guy

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