Thank you Newsstand Studio at 1 Rockefeller Plaza for providing a place for me to record this episode for y’all! No more Brooklyn closet recording!!!

For most of my life, I’ve felt like I have this sixth sense where I can read people and atmospheres really well. When I became a Christian, I figured this was the spiritual gift of discernment. Over time it started to feel like an anxiety-inducing curse— walking into a room and feeling everyone else’s emotions felt crippling. It made me wonder was this thing I had a gift...or a curse? Was it the Holy Spirit or my trauma? We have repeat guest and trauma Therapist back on the show this week, Kobe Campbell, to unpack this nuanced conversation. Check out my last conversation with Kobe, When is it time to go to therapy?, here.

“Is this blessing that the church has always praised me for actually my trauma?” - Kat Harris

Practice Scanning: Helpful or Hurtful?

• “Before Moses is a leader, he’s a murderer. The same thing that made him a murderer— his fierce orientation to justice— is the same thing that made him the very person God wanted to use to get his people out of Egypt.” - Kobe Campbell

• Practice scanning can also help you identify when someone is uncomfortable and in need of help.

“In Love's service, only wounded soldiers can serve.” - Brennan Manning

Exploiting Gifts: What’s the solution?

• “I wish that women would be given the opportunity to fail as often as men can in the church.” - Kobe Campbell

• “I have to be willing to be confronted by my own questions.” - Kat Harris

• “In this process, what do you feel like God is trying to reveal to you?” - Kobe Campbell

Resources

• Keep up with Kobe Campbell at healingcircletherapy.org or on IG at @kobecampbell_ and @healingcircletherapy.
• Check out Kobe’s episode of TRC “When Is It Time To Go To Therapy?” here.
• Check out Kobe’s videos on Patreon where we do a deep dive on mental health and therapy here.
• Listen to Kobe’s podcast she hosts with her husband Kyle, The Healing Circle Podcast.
• Listen to this TRC episode about attachment styles with my friend Amanda Blair here.
• Check out the video by Thais Gibson on fearful avoidance here.
• Check out Rockefeller Center on IG at @rockefellercenter and Twitter at @rockcenternyc

This podcast is sponsored by Better Help. I’ve done therapy off and on for years and am such an advocate for therapy. Better Help will assess your needs and match you with your own licensed professional therapist who you can start communicating with in under 48 hours. It’s affordable and accessible with financial aid available. Visit BetterHelp.com/refined for 10% off your first month and join the over 2 million people who have taken charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional.

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