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The Quanta Podcast

Is It Real or Imagined? How Your Brain Tells the Difference.

The Quanta Podcast

Quanta Magazine

Physics, Life Sciences, Science

4.7643 Ratings

🗓️ 27 September 2023

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

New experiments show that the brain distinguishes between perceived and imagined mental images by checking whether they cross a “reality threshold.” Read more at QuantaMagazine.org. Music is “Who’s Using Who” by The Mini Vandals.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Quantum Magazine's podcast. Each episode, we bring you stories about developments in science and mathematics.

0:11.0

I'm Susan Vallett. How do you know the difference between something real and something imagined?

0:17.0

New experiments show that the brain distinguishes between perceived and imagined mental images

0:23.6

by checking whether they cross a reality threshold.

0:26.6

That's next.

0:31.6

Quantum Magazine is an editorially independent online publication supported by the Simon's Foundation

0:39.3

to enhance public understanding of science.

0:46.3

The brain constantly processes streams of visual signals from the eyes and purely mental pictures from our imagination. Brain scan studies have

0:56.7

repeatedly found that seeing something and imagining it evoke similar patterns of neural activity.

1:04.0

Yet for most of us, the subjective experiences they produce are clearly different. Thomas

1:09.9

Nazillaris is an associate professor at the University

1:13.0

of Minnesota. You have two signals that represent completely independent content. Like, I can

1:19.1

look outside my window right now, and if I want to, I can imagine a unicorn walking down the street.

1:25.5

And my brain has to represent those two things simultaneously.

1:29.3

It's very clear to me which of those two sensory representations corresponds to

1:36.3

reality outside of my brain.

1:38.3

We also know that when I'm seeing the world and I'm imagining the unicorn walking through it, it's

1:45.4

the same brain regions, at least to the level that we've been able to resolve with

1:49.7

the fMRI, you've got the same brain regions that are representing both sources of content.

1:55.6

The knowledge that unicorns are mythical barely plays into that.

1:59.7

A simple imaginary white horse would seem just as unreal.

2:04.7

Nadine Dykstra is a postdoctoral fellow at University College London.

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