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Is Israel’s war with Hamas winnable?

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🗓️ 3 November 2023

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Last night Israel's military said its forces had "advanced another significant stage in the war" and encircled Gaza City, the most built-up area of the Gaza Strip and the heart of the Hamas tunnel network.

Israel's government says the purpose of the war is to eliminate Hamas, but is that an objective that can be achieved? We speak to a former major-general who was once the UK's most senior commander in Iraq, tasked with eliminating Isis.

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Guest: Major-General Rupert Jones (ret’d).

Host: Manveen Rana.

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Partner of choice. It's been a week since Israel began its ground war in Gaza. The incursion has drawn comparisons with other

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walls, particularly those fought in urban areas like the war in Iraq and the

0:52.2

battles with ISIS that followed.

0:55.0

It's a comparison that the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

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has been keen to encourage.

1:03.0

Hamas should be treated exactly the way ISIS was treated.

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They should be spit out from the community of nations.

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Israel's government says it wants to eliminate Hamas.

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But is that an objective that can be achieved?

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We've been speaking to the former Major General who was once the

1:25.2

UK's most senior commander in Iraq, tasked with eliminating ISIS. You're listening to stories of our times from the Times and the Sunday Times.

1:41.0

I'm Manvin Ranaano. Today is Israel's war with Hamas winnable.

1:47.0

My name is Rupert Jones, former British Army Major General.

1:57.0

During the operation to defeat ISIS, Daesh in the Middle East in 2016 and 2017. I was the deputy commander of the

2:07.0

US-led coalition and so we had the experience of supporting our Iraqi partners

2:10.9

during the liberation of Mosul, Iraq second city and also our Iraqi

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second city and also of Iraq second city and also of Raka in Syria which

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