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articles and early access to Colette social events. And this week our

subject will be the genocide accusations launched by South Africa in regard to Israel's military

campaign in Gaza which was launched following Hamas's October 7 terrorist

attacks. What you'll be hearing are my interviews with University of Florida historian Norman Goda, a specialist in the Holocaust and the international legal framework that emerged from it.

And I say interviews, plural, because I interviewed Professor Gota twice.

The first time was in late January, after the publication of his Quilett article entitled

South African Law Fair at The Hague.

Then while I was editing the episode, the International Court of Justice delivered its

interim ruling on South Africa's claims.

So I've divided this episode in half, with my initial interview with Professor Goda coming

before the mid- episode commercial break and then the second post-judgment interview

coming at the end.

As I understand your academic specialty is the Holocaust, yes? Yes, I study the Holocaust, but I also study the great trials of the Holocaust and the laws of war in their application in the courtroom.

Is it fair to say that the laws against genocide came out of that horrific legacy?

Yes, absolutely. came out of that horrific legacy?

Yes, absolutely. The term genocide was coined by Raphael Lemkin.

He was a Jew from Lubb and eastern Poland before the war in Western Ukraine now. He had made his way to the United States,

but his entire family was in Laefov where they were killed.

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