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Fareed Zakaria GPS

Is Israel Committing Genocide in Gaza?

Fareed Zakaria GPS

CNN

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4.32.9K Ratings

🗓️ 21 July 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Today on the show, Omer Bartov, one of the world’s foremost genocide and Holocaust scholars, talks with Fareed about why he thinks what Israel is doing in Gaza now meets the legal definition of genocide.   Then, former US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers joins Fareed in a conversation about the impacts of President Trump’s "big, beautiful bill" and impending tariffs.   Finally, the British Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch sits down with Fareed to discuss the future of the party and changing immigration policy in Britain.   GUESTS: Omer Bartov (@bartov_omer), Larry Summers (@LHSummers), Kemi Badenoch (@KemiBadenoch) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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forward slash express. This is GPS, the global public square. Welcome to all of you in the United

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States and around the world.

0:38.0

I'm Farid Zakaria.

0:40.3

Today on the program, genocide.

0:43.7

It's an extraordinarily powerful word that describes an unthinkable event,

0:49.0

the intentional destruction of all or part of a population.

0:53.5

Think Rwanda. Remember Srebrenica.

0:58.0

Now, one of the world's top genocide scholars

1:03.0

has affixed that label to a new place, Gaza.

1:07.0

I will ask the Israeli-born Omar Bartov, why he is convinced that his own people are committing this ultimate atrocity.

1:15.6

Also, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers on why he's ashamed of America over Trump's big, beautiful bill.

1:25.6

And Britain's Conservative Party, the party of Thatcher,

1:31.7

has been called the world's most successful political party.

1:35.8

But now it is struggling.

1:39.1

Why? I'll talk to party leader, Kemi Badernock.

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